Responding to Marcus at:

Monday, September 11, 2006

Actually "Suuri" means "fat," doesn't it?

I'll have to look that one up.

Sunday, August 27, 2006

Term Confusion II

“You obviously have no concept of sexual orientation, where one could have natural attractions to the same sex, even though (as I believe our blogger has stated here) one does not act on them.” --Tomte wrote this also to me

Again, the act and the lust for the act—both are sin.

Also, finely distinguishing among terms is not my gift. However, let me attempt. There are two ways in which the terms “gay” and “being gay” are being used here on these blogs. The one is the way in which I defined it ( The other is what I call the “Adam” way. Let me explain how I see this “Adam” way: if by “being gay” is meant “having the natural tendencies towards sin that all who are children of Adam have,” then it is true, that is not a “sin” in the sense we usually take the word “sin” because we cannot ever repent of our flesh and its desires. I would have made my flesh repent a thousand times decades ago if it were possible—“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would” (Gal 5:17).

I think using the term “being gay” in the one sense at one time, and then in another at another time, is slippery. That is what prompted my post. If a man, as this young man (whom I love, and he knows I love him), is stating that he is “gay” in the sense that he has the natural tendencies towards sin that all the children of Adam have, being, as they are, corrupt and desperately wicked (Psalm 14, also Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked—who can know it?”), this is something we would never chastise him for. However, the way the word “gay” or “being gay” is used in the general public, is not this way. Thus, I believe it is fair to state that the blog “Gay Laestadian” and the things posted on it, could be taken by a great number of people, to mean that one who blogs on it is declaring that a thing which is sin, is not sin. But we want to know (Ezekiel 44:23) and flee sin, and fight against it, as Paul (Gal 5:16) teaches in that same letter: “This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” If we put our sins away, we’ll make it to heaven. Then we will be like him for whom we wait—and he has no sin, and no corruption: “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).

On Speaking for the Spirit

“Alexandra, by claiming to speak for the Spirit with such certainty you blaspheme the Spirit, which is the one unforgiveable sin according to your Bible. See you in hell.”

The above was written to me by a certain “Tomte.”

First, if one faults me for “claiming to speak for the Spirit” the question could be asked of that one—for whom do you claim to speak? And if the answer is “the Spirit”, then both of us are “claiming to speak for the Spirit” (however I will clarify what I mean by that below). However, if the answer is “no, I claim to speak for myself” then we have these two things: the Spirit on the one side, and Tomte on the other.

As for “claiming to speak for the Spirit”—I do not, exactly “claim to speak for the Spirit.” However, if what I write or speak is according to God’s Word, then, yes, any who reads it or hears it, ought to take it as directly from the mouth of God Himself, just as if he sees a law on the books at the Supreme Court that says “Thou shalt not steal,” or something similar, he ought to say, “Amen.” However, if what I write or say does not answer to Scripture, then I would wish to be corrected. I would wish to be shown from Scripture where what I write or say is in error. But if what I speak or write is of the Spirit, then it is of the Spirit. If it is not of the Spirit, then it is false, and wicked, and may it be revealed unto me, that I could be corrected!

Thus, if Tomte could relate which bible portions he has in mind, it would be helpful. Because, “claiming to speak for the Spirit with such certainty” is exactly what Paul does: “my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power” (1 Cor).

This is how it has been since Adam: “Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth. For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me. Gilead is a city of them that work iniquity, and is polluted with blood. And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness” (Hosea 6:5-9).

Tomte, all your sins can be forgiven. All of them.

That which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

“And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God" (Luke 16:15)

Friday, August 25, 2006

Term Confusion

By “being gay” is meant accepting the behavior, accepting the temptations to the behavior, the fall of the heart into the lust for the behavior, and the behavior itself.

The term "gay" is confusing. This is why something beyond language is needed to understand the matter perfectly, which is the Spirit, to search out the deep things of God. Of prophesy (words, language) in 1 Cor 13:8 paul states, that is a poor vehicle for providing perfect knowledge and understanding of matters. That would include this matter.

That is, I do not wish to promote vain disputes about meanings of words. For, Paul, in relation to such disputations, states of such who would move away from the central point and wrack themselves and others over strained knats, the following: "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." (1 Timothy 6:3-5). And he declares that this, rather, is the end (the goal, the purpose): "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned" (1 Timothy 1:5)--that is the goal, the desire, of the Word, not becoming vexed philosphers of language.

Wednesday, August 23, 2006

The Bible and "Gay Laestadian"

“GAY” IS NOT ACCORDING TO GOD’S WORD. It is not possible for one to be a believer, and to “be gay.” One may claim this to be true about oneself, but in God’s eyes the one who does this sins.

WE KNOW THAT THE BIBLE CONDEMNS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR. For example: 1 Kings 14:24 “And there were also sodomites in the land: [and] they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.” And Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.” And Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” And Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” And the story of Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:5): “And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.” Also, the story of the Sodomites in Judges 19:22: “Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9 we read “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind” and in 1 Timothy 1:10: “For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” These actions God condemns, as Jude 1:7 states “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

BUT THE BIBLE ALSO CONDEMNS THE LUSTS WHICH GIVE BIRTH TO THE ACTIONS. In Romans 1:26-7 we read “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” But just before Paul wrote those words, he wrote this (Romans 1:21): “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations (διαλογισμος dialogismos), and their foolish heart was darkened.” Take heed especially of the last part of this, which declares that the imaginations of the heart were darkened. The actions followed. As we have learned from childhood, sin is “the falling away of the heart from God”; one who lusts after another of the same sex, or one anyone of the opposite sex to whom one is not married, sins.
Prophet Jeremiah called out (4:14): “O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?” He wished that they might put away those evil thoughts that they had. He also declared that God knew those sins of the heart, although no other could know see them: The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;” (Jeremiah 17:1)
And (17:5) he curses those whose hearts have fallen: “Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.” We find this teaching also in Ezekiel (11:21), where God declares that things detestable are found in the hearts of some: “But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD. “ And Jesus taught in Matthew 15:19 “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:” And said, that “These are the things which defile a man.” Again, the fall in the heart is what first defiles. Though the world teaches otherwise (Luke 16:15: “And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God”), we remember the familiar words of Matthew 5:28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” Christ here teaches about the longing for sinful sexual behavior, and declares this longing to be sin. We read in Acts 8:22: “Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.” Note here that the thought of the heart is something that needs to be forgiven. We would also do well to take heed of the teachings contained in this rather long text from Ephesians 4:17-24 “This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation (behavior) the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.” Note again here, that the understanding is darkened and then a blind heart, a heart that is “past feeling” goes over into working all uncleanness. This is the progression the devil drags us into. But Paul declares that this is not what we learn of Christ. And he repeats himself, that we put off the former behavior, which “is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts.” Returning to the first chapter of Romans we read the same—that the lusts of one’s heart lead to the acts of the body (1:24): “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:”
1 John 3:20 teaches us “For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.” Thus, our hearts err, but God does not, nor does his Word, nor his Spirit in his congregation. “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12). These sins of the thoughts are familiar to all of us, and we find that we must run to the mercy seat and declare, “Lord, save us, we perish!” May God help us! May the Lord Jesus come soon to take us home away from this body of death!